Tuesday, September 19, 2006

Would You Put WoW On Your Resume?

If you saw the following on a resume, you would probably be impressed, especially if this person is a recent college graduate:

Roles and responsibilities include:
  • Leading an organization of over 200 active members.
  • Organizing and leading groups of 40 people 4 nights a week on specific jobs.
  • Managing resource collection to accomplish jobs.
  • Keeping organization website up to date and moderating forums.
  • Actively recruiting new members.
  • Researching new challenges and formulating strategies to progress forward.
Now I'll make it a little more accurate and even add a few accomplishments:

Roles and responsibilities include:
  • Leading the #1 guild (with over 200 active members) on World Of Warcraft's Dalaran server.
  • Organizing 40-person raid groups 4 nights a week to conquer the most challenging dungeons in record time.
  • Organizing the guild to collect necessary resources for each raid, including health/mana potions, herbs, and other special items.
  • Keeping guild site up to date and moderating forums.
  • Also designed a custom raid points tracker.
  • Actively recruiting new members.
  • Researching new dungeons and formulating strategies for defeating bosses.
Ok, now it's a little silly, right? But why should it be? Leading the #1 guild on any server in almost any game is very challenging and takes a lot of work. It shows strong leadership and organizational skills to manage a guild of 200+ people, as well as leading 4 raids per week. You don't even need to be the #1 guild; managing any guild is difficult and requires the same set of organizational and leadership qualities.

Of course, if you've been in a guild or especially if you've led one, you know this already. So, would you put it on your resume? When you are asked what is your greatest accomplishment in an interview, will you say, "I led my guild to the first Nefarian kill in World Of Warcraft."?

Probably not, but why? More than likely it is because MMORPGs are video games, and people associate video games with lazy people (and addicts). So, if somebody tells an employer that they spend the majority of their time playing a video game, they are going to envision that person as a lazy do-nothing. Yet, if you were the president of your school's martial arts club of 30 members, you would put that on your resume, because it shows that you did something and you did that something well enough to make it to the top. It is even likely that being president of your 30 person martial arts club is much easier than running a guild, so why put that on your resume and not the fact that you lead a guild?

An employer who has never heard of an MMORPG probably wouldn't understand the skills necessary for running a guild, but what about somebody who has played one before and been in a guild? Imagine you were an employer and a resume comes across your desk and you see that the candidate has been leading one of World Of Warcraft's finest guilds. Would you laugh at it or would you see some possible talent in this individual?

107 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting idea: I've seen some resumes with wackier stuff on them, I wouldn't put it on in every case but as someone who has led online guilds and real life teams, it's a very very similar skill set.

That being said, certain employers might not appreciate it or even worry that the person would spend all their time playing WoW.

9/19/2006 8:13 PM  
Blogger Heartless_ said...

It shows you are addicted to the game and put it above many real life obligations. Both of which I doubt any employer is looking for.

For as many good skills you think you are demonstrating... you aren't winning any points. A smart employer reads through bullshit like this on a daily basis.

What gets you a job is a) experience in the career field and b) having a resume that sticks out for the right reasons. "OMG like I played WoW and we got epicz" is not making it standout for the right reasons.

9/19/2006 11:23 PM  
Blogger Lex said...

Heartless, I think being addicted to the game is not very different than being addicted to your job. Both require many hours spent and sacrificing other real life obligations (family, friends, etc.).

You can walk into an interview and explain how you led your company to make millions, but leading your guild to get "epicz" is all the same (as long as you aren't cheating). The only difference is that "epicz" are a virtual reward, where money is real.

9/20/2006 7:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this whole idea is pointless becouse it is just theory, funny theory but nothing else. the person playing wow on that level is 100% addicted to the game and will be the worst possible employee for the company. the same drug addict would be. of course to take the position of fraction leader takes some skill others don't have. but the player will always have lack of motivation to work. he will always just DREAM about rushing back home to feed he's hunger. i will never again employ mmorpg player. i did this mistake twice. one worked 3 days, secont one week and half.

9/20/2006 9:41 AM  
Blogger David Biagi said...

I'm going to have to disagree with the above anonymous poster who said
"the person playing wow on that level is 100% addicted to the game and will be the worst possible employee for the company. the same drug addict would be."
I played an MMO (Dark Age of Camelot) for years and our guildleader was the president of Canada's largest ISP. For people who enjoy organizational, directional work guildleading is a natural role in a leisure environment

9/20/2006 4:44 PM  
Anonymous Ray said...

I wouldn't laugh. If i didnt know what WoW i would just ignore that part and research it later, if i did know about it, i would take it in consideration but i wouldnt give you a too high advantage over others just for a game you played. If someone is obviously more suited for the job i would take him.

9/20/2006 7:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I personally wouldn't risk it but then again I have other acomplishments to speak of.

9/20/2006 7:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think something that is very relevant is that the person is skilled working with remote members. That is a key skill required when working with remote employees, or overseas developers.

9/20/2006 7:11 PM  
Blogger Xenon said...

It all depends on the industry you're in as well. I absolutely have on my resume that I led the most popular (in it's day) guild for a number of games, and ran an entire community of game fans via the most popular news fan site for a certain game (no I won't say what it is/was here, because I am not interested in people in general knowing what I did/do) but then, I am in the interactive space so these things come in handy. Many of my peers and bosses play online MMORPGs or RTS games, and they appreciate the skills I bring to the table.

9/20/2006 7:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Absolutely depends on the company. This would earn you a ton of points at my employer.

9/20/2006 7:26 PM  
Anonymous Marty said...

Like some have said, it depends. Blanket statements like "never hire a MMORPG player" should only convince you that you don't want to work for such blinkered folks.

Running a guild has some real analogs to everyday business life. In fact, I would go as far to say that a successful guild leader has a better probability of success in business management than the other way around (business manager trying to run a guild).

Guild leaders do what they do without a true hammer of discipline. Getting fired in the real world has much greater impact than getting booted from a guild, and thus most people have incentive to avoid that fate.

9/20/2006 7:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You WOW nerds ... get real, get outside for once

If I saw that on a hiring candidate's resume, I wouldn't stop laughing until they left the room... and even then.. hahah

9/20/2006 7:33 PM  
Anonymous cortana said...

You'll run into trouble if you get someone like me, who's taken courses in interviewing, and would ask you questions in order to detail that experience. "What sort of specific jobs did you do with your group." "Explain in detail how you researched a new challenge and designed a strategy to conquer it."

Then you'll be sunk.

9/20/2006 7:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

read this and then come back and edit your negative comments naysayers

ken

9/20/2006 7:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.04/learn.html

ken

9/20/2006 7:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am currently looking for a custome support person and an advertising sales person in the Richmond, VA area. We are doing web development related to online games and I would love to have just such a person as described in this article for those positions. They absolutely have to be otherwise qualified and capable, but the above experience in addition to the sales or customer support experience would make them an absolute fit. I can be reached at stephen.johnston@guildlaunch.com, http://www.guildlaunch.com

9/20/2006 7:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The person who said this is just theory is actually wrong, a guy has been hired as a top-level manager at Yahoo! just exactly like that, thanks to his WoW guild management experience. And the truth his that he performs great at work.

9/20/2006 7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont play WoW, but I really dont see how you can separate the time spent leading a guild a few nights a week, from watching every football game in a season alone on your couch, or every baseball agme, or dvr'ing every episode of your favorite sit-com and watching it every day, or fixing the same broken parts of a broken car outside every day, from sitting in your office going over redundant paperwork you've already read 6 times. I could keep going, but I think the intelligent people get my point. And I like what was posted above, about the person spending all thier time at a karate gym is doing less work than a mmorpg player, yet no one would call the karate guy a loser. why? because he could kick your butt? well, not all game players are lazy losers, I bet some could kick your butt with 1 hand on a keyboard :P

9/20/2006 8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not start listing all the games you've beaten while you're at it? I'm sure your potential employers want to hear about the hundred hours you spent beating Final Fantasy VII too. Oh, and that time you got top score at the arcade against that asian kid who beat everyone else at Street Fighter II Turbo? Yeah, go ahead and throw that triumph on there as well. Oh wait... what about that time you got laid? You should put that on there too. I mean, it's something you did right? Used interpersonal communications skills to close deal with hostile prospect - businesses everywhere are looking for your kind of talent kid.

Look, it's cool that you feel a sense of accomplishment about your hobby bro, but so does the Civil War re-enactment guy and the builds cars in his garage guy and the stitch and bitch yarn darning champion lass.

But you don't put that stuff on your resume because it's inappropriate for business to do more than provide (if at all) a cursory mention of hobby activities. It's not important or even acceptable to list accomplishments that don't directly relate to your field. And I do mean directly.

If you are applying for a job to run raids or organize raids or organize a fan-site in some way, then by all means, go ahead and send me the link to that job, ecause my ass is going to apply as well. Otherwise bro, it don't fly. But take heart nerd, the bodybuilder doesn't list all of the chicks he's boned when trying to qualify for a match either.

9/20/2006 8:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't hire someone with WoW on their Resume.

We recently had to fire someone who was addicted to WoW because it consumed his life. He would read the WoW forums or be on his Guild's Web Site all day.

9/20/2006 8:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel like I'm at an AA meeting...

Hi, my name is X, I'm a director of engineering... and I play computer games :)...

True.

I have been playing games since 1975 -- that's what got me into computers. I'm currently into EQ2, but have also played WoW, and FFXI. I'm in a MBA program, and I've made the hiring decision on probably over 50 engineering openings over the past 15 years or so.

That said, I wouldn't advise putting your guild experience on a resume... I don't think it would help and there's a good chance it could hurt. However, in about 10-15 years when this generation of college students is making hiring decisions... it will be a different world. Maybe then my 45-50 years of gaming experience will be useful for something :)

9/20/2006 8:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This strategy could ABSOLUTELY work...if your boss plays World of Warcraft. Trying to get a non-MMORPG player to understand what MMORPG players do is difficult at best, or detrimental to your interview at worst.

Do your research and see if your potential new boss is a WoW player...or if the culture in your workplace supports things like that.

9/20/2006 8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think it could easily backfire on you, cause more than likely the employer that doesn't laff at it and hires you perhaps based on it, will more than likely want to be in your guild.. and what if they turn out to be not-so-great gamers... are you as a guildmaster going to start booting co-workers? i think it's better to keep these seperate.

9/20/2006 8:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The original article is here.
He was awarded the position because it was a toss up between two candidates and it separated him from the next candidate. He is now the Yahoo senior director of operations.

The bottom line is you shouldn't rely on this. Stephen Gillett already had an amazing resume, including building CNET's backend and the launch of several start ups. He used it to enhance an already amazing resume.

9/20/2006 8:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. As a hiring exec I would never hire an idiot with this on their resume.

9/20/2006 10:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is stupid...

Even if for some reason they did accept these entries on your resume since you would be putting in all that 'effort' while working at your job it would be seen as something that would interefere with your work.

9/21/2006 12:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the real question is whether or not he would stop playing WoW enough to be a decent employee.

9/21/2006 2:25 AM  
Blogger Spencer said...

David Biagi:

Was that the president Telus? That would explain why the company went downhill back then...

9/21/2006 3:45 AM  
Blogger Conicon said...

My 2 cents on this would be that the human interaction element "actually being infront of people" and leading them is lost in playing a game on the internet. Though you have the ability to command through voice, eye contact and pyshical presence is an essential part for leading people. It brings a certain ammount of respect and connection to the leader of a team that makes for better team management. There is something to be said for actually being able to do that through a particular media like WoW but how much that could apply to a leadership role in the workplace is anyones guess. I do feel that the person could put it on their resume, but would not fair as well in the spot light just because of the lack of dealing with people in person (which is in my mind almost completely different).

-MC-

9/21/2006 10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's extremely unfair to label anyone who plays MMO's as a lazy addict, but it proves how negative of a stigma video games have to them. The only reason I could think of not to put it on your resume is because you could get the same steriotyping, prejudiced people that posted here in your interview. I know many officers of guilds who have families (that they don't neglect) and a guild leader who holds a good job and keeps his family together well.

I've also seen that not just anyone has the talent to put together and run a really good guild, and am confident that those leaders have a high chance of similar success in the business world.

Those lazy slob MMO addicts you've talked about are likely members of such a guild, but I'd be very suprised if they were running it.

Oh, and please don't stereotype people, it just makes you look ignorant.

9/21/2006 10:06 AM  
Blogger Ludacar said...

I actually am a Guild Master for an up and coming raiding guild. I've been playing the game for 2 years, but I don't consider myself an addict, and it sure wouldn't effect my work. I work out, go out on the weekends, watch football, just like anyone else, yet some close minded person wants to call me lazy? The Guild has an average of 60 members online any given night, raids require 20-40 people to be done succesfully, you have to get 20-40 REAL people to work together as a team, to stop talking as you explain a strategy on how to accomplish whatever goal, someone acts out of line in the Guild, you have to deal with them swiftly before things get out of hand, and again, it's a REAL person, not a virtual person as people outside the game tend to think, so that's not always plesent, you have to make a decision to warn them or kick them, all the while trying to figure out how to deal with the 40 people waiting on your explination on how to advance from where the group is at, then you need to think of what sort of impact kicking this person may have on the guild as a whole, people might like him/her and decide "forget this I'm gone to", then you have to deal with 20 more people wondering what's going on. Sure there are officers to help make decisions, but then you have 2 or 3 who don't like the direction the guild is going, they start to complain and you have to deal with them in a way so they understand where you're coming from, why you're doing it this way, and not piss them off so they leave. Just like any business, the execs leave your company, or in this case a guild, it will suffer. Then you have sexual harrisment problems, some nut says something bothersome to a REAL female player, not a computer generated player, and you say, "it's a game, get over it" right, you say that to a girl who someone just asked them for some sexual favor in the office and see how she reacts to you. So then you have to deal with the disgruntled female, (or male, though that's rare) and you have to deal with the guy who made the comment "I was only kidding around" sound familier? I'm sure bosses from all over have had that happen, it's not fun, no matter virtual or real life, it's the same thing. So someone tell me how this is lazy by any means? Sure it's fun, I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy it, but it requires work to. Any Guild Master of a decent guild, will tell you it's not all fun and games when it comes to leading a big, succesful guild, half the time it ends up more like a job. So before anyone who doesn't even know what an MMORPG is calls me lazy, you try to keep 100 members organized and keep your business running smoothly, and not to mention, you can threaten their job to get them to settle down, all I can do is threaten to kick them from a guild, some people realize this and act up even more because I can't really hurt them, that causes even more problems. So don't stereo-type me as being lazy.

9/21/2006 2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no way I would hire someone who used WOW experience on a resume. For one thing, being GM of a decent equipped guild is not that big of a deal, it just takes time. The other is the Anti-Social nature of someone who will sit on their ass for hours instead of doing something productive with their free time.

9/21/2006 7:54 PM  
Blogger Ludacar said...

lol, and what do you consider productive? Sitting on your ass in front of a tv watching Sunday Night Football? I completly agree with the person who asked what difference was between running a Martial Arts Club with 30 people vs. running a guild? You're not making any money with either one, you're responsible for 30 people, in my case about 150 people overall. You have to make sure it's successfull otherwise you won't get any members or keep the ones you have. You have to keep it entertaining and different, otherwise what makes your guild or club better then the next one. You have to keep people around you who know what they're doing, in my case good officers who help keep the guild running smoothly or assistant(s) to help run the club. So go on man? What do you consider productive? No, I don't spend all day in front of my computer playing this game, it's for entertainment purposes only, but I don't see a problem with putting that on a resume. I don't see how someone can't see how something like this takes responsiblity. And dude give me a break, 'It only takes time" lol, yeah it does take time, patients, organization, and yes, people skills. If you can't hold a conversation with someone, keep their attention, or entertain them, how in the hell are you going to sell them on your guild? You have to convince them it's the best thing out there, otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. The same thing can be said about asking someone on a date or selling them your company's product. You have to sell yourself. Someone isn't going to go on a date with you, buy your product, work for your company, or join your guild, if they don't like you. So Anti-social? I don't agree. The only people who would frown on this, are people such as yourself, who have probably never played an MMO, probably a pretty boring person, and just plain stereotypical.

9/22/2006 12:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Something to keep in mind, when you put your previous job experience on a resume, the potential employer expects that you won't be working for that other company/business anymore once you start with the new employer.

By all means use WoW to document your team-manangement, remote operations and any other selection criteria checkboxes you feel appropriate.

Just be prepared to be expected to give all that up, or at least curtail it once you take a new job using those same skills on someone else's dime.

An on-the-ball interviewer will want to know how much time you're spending on such things, since time-management is another common selection criteria checkbox.

9/25/2006 12:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anyone believes that managing a bunch of gamers over the net is the same as managing a team of Real Life employee needs to take a good look at reality. WoW is a f'king game, which lacks the in person interaction. And what you do in the game has no real value or consequences to your real life (except all that time wasted wiping at some raid encounter). Suppose you get a managerial job in RL becasue some stupid employer actually takes you seriously, What are you going to do when an employee mis-behave? tell them -50 DKP? yell at them over Vent? kick them out the of guild? Oh wait, thats how you manage raiding guild. keep telling yourself your 'leadership' skills in the game matters in RL doesnt make it so.

9/25/2006 6:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is there anyway to put dance dance revolution on the resume:P:P

10/18/2006 1:30 PM  
Anonymous Robert said...

Well, seeing that I'm not a World of Warcraft-player, I can't say anything about running or playing in a guild, so I'll keep my nose out of that. What I do notice, however, is that most people who stereotype gamers as lazy people give extremely short and unargumented replies, while those who run guilds give long and understandable replies, filled to the brim with arguments and examples. This means that these people (the guild masters) obviously have a talent for writing persuasive texts. Their charisma is further proven by their ability to lead, as one guild master said, 20 to 40 people over extended periods of time. While physical charisma is left out, they prove that they definately have the charisma and capability to lead. If their ability to lead extends into physically being able to lead (which, given that WoW allows you to speak through microphones, is likely), then they would be suitable to lead a team on the work floor, which would probably consist of fewer people, thus making it easier to manage. Therefore, I'd say that being able to run a successful guild on WoW would definately make you qualified to run a team of co-workers.

Now, 'bout me, I'm seventeen years old and I play Dungeons & Dragons (as a table-top game), and I'm capable of writing the mini-essay given above. Ergo, gamers aren't the stupid fat-asses the ignorant masses make them out for.

Thank you for your time and comprehension.

10/28/2006 8:35 AM  
Blogger Wendell said...

Hmmmm... I'd have to agree with the last comment. I'm not a gamer, but it seems to me a skillset is a skillset.

On the other hand, the negativity of some responses suggest that - real world - potential employers might be put off by gaming references, however unjustly.

Applicant beware.

Wendell

11/20/2006 2:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL @ This:

"If you are applying for a job to run raids or organize raids or organize a fan-site in some way, then by all means, go ahead and send me the link to that job, ecause my ass is going to apply as well. Otherwise bro, it don't fly. But take heart nerd, the bodybuilder doesn't list all of the chicks he's boned when trying to qualify for a match either."

Funny. Most bodybuilders are gay or can't get it up from all the steroids. And bodybuilding, WHEW! there's a mentally taxing sport. Way to show you can accomplish ONE THING IN YOUR LIFE EVER, "ooh, I'm big."

MMORPGs require the ability to think to be good at, plain an simple. Especialy running an organizing a guild. The retard who posted this full of 'bro' and 'nerd' references is probably the same type of person who bodybuilds excessively: capable of one track of thought at a time, and nothing more.

Whoop-de-doo.

2/03/2007 12:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ "anyone believes that managing a bunch of gamers over the net is the same as managing a team of Real Life employee needs to take a good look at reality. WoW is a f'king game, which lacks the in person interaction. And what you do in the game has no real value or consequences to your real life (except all that time wasted wiping at some raid encounter). Suppose you get a managerial job in RL becasue some stupid employer actually takes you seriously, What are you going to do when an employee mis-behave? tell them -50 DKP? yell at them over Vent? kick them out the of guild? Oh wait, thats how you manage raiding guild. keep telling yourself your 'leadership' skills in the game matters in RL doesnt make it so."

Umm, yeah, because SO many 'managers' out there have experience outside of running the food line at McDonalds?

Getting your experience in working with people comes in many ways. Simply calling BS because it's an MMO shows what a narrow-sighted ass you are, and if you are an employer, you deserve the simple minded lazy workers you get because of it. There's a reason why Google, for example, has the talent pool they do, and it's sure not because they're ignorant assholes about whether or no you play games. They look for talent, and learn to use it. Training and experience come into play IRL and on MMOs, and the day of the traditional business-suit clad college wannabe are pretty much dying.

In addition, if you DO get a job as a manager at a company, do you really expect to just come in, sit down, and start work? The fact that you don't realize that there is an acclimation process and training to a new companies policies, REGARDLESS of your traning and background, shows what lack of experience and knowledge you have. If you're in charge of employees at your company, I pity them.

2/03/2007 12:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the WIRED article again. He NEVER put it on his resume and it says Yahoo did NOT EVEN know about it

"...But he had an additional qualification his prospective employer wasn't aware of, one that gave him a decisive edge: He was one of the top guild masters in the online role-playing game World of Warcraft..."

The article is saying that he was able to get best position for the job because of his experience, not because he put it on his resume or even discussed it.

2/05/2007 3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,
another Guild Master speaking here, to share my experiences of running a high end raiding guild, and hoping to give people some more insight to know what it takes to do such a job.
I'll just write a short report on how my evening looked like today in WoW as a GM.
20:30 - I login, check the auctionhouse. Now to explain what an auctionhouse is, this is where people deposit their goods for sale to other players. So back on track, I check the auctionhouse cause I do that 15-30 minutes everyday, why? Because I'm good at finding good deals, buying cheap and selling for more, thus making a profit. This has got nothing to do with guild leading, it only proves of another quality that is undeniably a handy skill in real life.
Anyway, after handeling my daily business, I start setting up a raid for tonight. Now this raid has only 10 slots, and there's more than 10 people online. How are you going to decide who to pick? Are the people who won't be raiding tonight going to accept that fact? Will everyone stay happy? What will the consequences of your choices be on the overall happiness and quality of your guild?
Dilemma's which have to be overcome within 10 minutes or else you won't even have started tomorrow morning.
Now the raid has been made, it's well balanced out, with great potential, nobody complained about it.
I aimed to kill 4 bosses that night, cause that would be needed to have enough time to make progress in the rest of the week. At 24:00 the raid ended, having killed those 4 bosses.
In that time, some people had to leave, at times we even were playing with 9 people but nonetheless we managed to get the job done, and while leading the raid onto the next objective, I had to look for suitable replacements for people that had to leave soon. There needs to be a steady pace so you can get the things done you were planning to do, and that for 3-4 hours long. You need to motivate people, give rewards from bosses to the people that need it the most, for the greater good so to say.
At 24:00 I got a private message from one of my members who had words with another member. Now it wasn't about motivating people to get things done in pace, and to have solid teamplay. No I had to keep the peace, make him feel better and take appropiate action.
When leading a guild you are leading a team, a team that needs to be balanced out with people that are talented, people you need to recruit, and keep them happy. You need to make people feel comfortable, not make it feel as if they are working for a company, but keeping a more personal enviroment in which people are eachother's friends and will help eachother to make a better team. You need to set up rules that everyone agrees with (and trust me that's not easy), you need to be creative, since you don't always have the team setup available which you preferred, hence you need to change tactics last minute sometimes. You need to be able to put the right people on the right job, you need to organize - cause you can't do everything yourself - and re-organise.
In all fairness, there is no job equivalent to a GM in the real world. It would be split up into multiple jobs. I'm also quite sure that there's very very few companies in the world that can match the quality organization-wise of a #1 guild.

There's only one question that matters which has been said before: will the applicant be able to convert his dedication for being a GM into his job?

4/04/2007 10:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This idea is patently silly. The skills required for leading people online are significantly different from those required for leading people offline. Leading a communistic MMO guild with no real accountability or human contact is significantly different from taking a managerial position in a business in a capitalist society; the differences are too numerous to easily describe, but they should be apparent with a bit of thought on the enormous differences between a MMO and real life. One thing that should be brought up is that the ability to type a decent essay on the internet is not at all comparable to real-life conversational skills - any fool can be an internet leader given half an hour to type up each post, with the ability to edit and modify their post both before and after they submit it, plus a dozen slavering toadies anxiously jumping to their aid in hopes of an arbitrary designation of power.

Aside from that, MMO guild leaders often have several characteristics which would affect real-world job performance in an extremely negative way. They typically crave power, often to the point of doing destructive things if they feel their power is threatened. They often do little work themselves, considering it to be their duty to delegate as much work as possible to others. And, most importantly, they have a characteristic arrogance and extreme sense of self-importance, usually to the extent of considering themselves indispensable to the guild.

This post isn't just slander, I've seen it happen dozens of times, studying games focused on the interaction of guilds and alliances with little gameplay to interfere with the results, rather than games like WoW where time and obsession with the game are the only measures of guild power.

8/17/2007 7:01 PM  
Anonymous JJMak said...

Honestly our world is not ready for that kind of resume. I have played many MMORPGs and I believe a person can gain a lot of skills from those games - main one is the language skills,i know that english language used in games is not perfect but that what makes is a skill, you talk to hundreds of people and somehow u understand them because you want to, you don't give up when u meet someone using thys typ off langug to comunikate :) you learn to be patient. Second of all a gamer has great computer knowledge and has good typing speed (wanted skill in almost all jobs). And of course main skill is organization (not only as GL but also as unofficial leader). Guild with any amount of members is a challenge (I have 2 of my own in two different games and it is a pain) 50 or so people and everyone wants something else, not all of them contibute to the organization, they sometimes are like the parliment where it is so hard to get anything done but still you get there by hard work.

I would not put my MMORPG exp on resume because world is not ready (I would probably mention it on interview but not on paper) but as a future manager and co-worker I know that next generation will list it and based on my exp I will not ignore that kind of skills.

P.S. Some gamers are addicted thats why there is a screening before they are hired, but I would not reject someone based only on their skills listed and places they got those skills from.

12/06/2007 4:19 AM  
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Terrible idea. This is real life. Not a virtual fantasy. Employers look for people with skills and experience in REAL LIFE. Buying your Epicz won't make you any leeter in a working environment.

1/23/2008 12:06 PM  
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I interview/hire/fire people and I *DO* take your WoW experience into consideration. For example, in the midsts of small talk during an interview, you tell me about your WoW experience.

Furthermore, let's say you're the leader of a raiding guild that raids 5 times a week.

I'll tell you to apply again once you've decided quit WoW for good. I sometimes need evening hours from you and it's not acceptable to leave work because you have to raid.

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The guy has come a bit further since senior director at Yahoo.

Check out www.theguildcio.com and the article CIO Magazine just published this week.

1/10/2009 10:50 PM  
OpenID Fiel Meria said...

I cited this post of yours on mine:
http://gotohellwithfiel.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=75

Basically my stand is that the difference between a healthy, or even productive WoW player is their mindset or motivation behind the action.

I'd say that there is little difference between a person addicted to a job and addicted to WoW - both are missing out on more important things.

A lot of successful executives and WoW players I have known have balanced and healthy outlooks on life.

I talk about this a bit further in my article. Thanks for your post it really made me think and greatly contributed to my post!

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